Skyrim Beeing Female How Long Does It Take for Baby to Grow
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Joined: Sabbatum Jan 26, 2019 12:14 am Posts: 12 ES Games: Skyrim Platform: PC UESPoints: 0 | I am working on my mod, and edifice the history/backstory. (Lady Nicola) The follower is a Female Vampire, a Girl of Coldharbour, and a founding Fellow member of the Cyrodiil Vampyrum Order. I have, so far, written 8 pages of lore and back story on her, the who, where, when, how and I have integrated her story into $.25 of TES lore. To add a major quest to this modernistic, I demand her to have had a child... But there is my problem. In keeping the mod Lore friendly, I need to show , prove or be able to present creditable bear witness that in the realm of Skyrim... Female person Vampires can have babies. Periodical of the Lord Lovidicus A Male Vampire fathered a child (sperm worked, so womb could also) Unofficial Skyrim Elder Roll pages Lore:Vampire "The progeny and grand-progeny of a pure-claret may retain their additional abilities but will withal be regarded as lower than their sire and grandsire." the affliction causes i to "dice", making a vampire literally undead. This goes against my point A Bloodcursed Elven Arrow is an elven arrow that has been tainted with the blood of a Daughter of Coldharbour, a female vampire created by Molag Bal himself. And so female vampires practice have blood! Does anyone have lore or TES references that would backup my stance that Female person Vampires can have children? (I am not looking so much for opinions, we all have those, I looking for "Fantasy Fact" or TES lore.)
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SeaGtGruff | Post subject field: Re: Skyrim Lore Vampires having babies |
Joined: Lord's day Aug 27, 2017 six:25 pm Posts: 723 Location: Southward Carolina ES Games: Loonshit, Daggerfall, Battlespire, Redguard, Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim, ESO, Legends, Blades Platform: PC, Mac, iPad Status: Animate, presumed conscious Other Profiles: SeaGtGruff (Steam), TinklyGosling47 (Xbox) UESPoints: 20 | In Skyrim there's a young Breton girl in the Dark Brotherhood (Babette) who's really a vampire and the oldest member of the Dark Alliance. Although she wasn't built-in a vampire, the fact that she died and stopped growing whatsoever further when she became a vampire might be a point against your backstory, at least if the daughter is supposed to be a full vampire, because she would presumably take died as an embryo and not grown any farther. On the other manus, in Oblivion The Greyness Prince (Agronak gro-Malog) is apparently not a vampire himself, even though he'southward the one-half-blooded spawn of a vampire, and so he was born living and matured usually. And so if the daughter is but a half-blooded vampire past nativity, she might have been born living and matured normally. You might still need to accept some explanation equally to how the mother was able to become pregnant and requite birth even though she'southward a vampire, considering presumably it would be extremely unusual for a female person vampire to go pregnant and give nascence. So you might explain that she used some sort of spells that immune an embryo to quicken in her womb despite her undead condition, perhaps even equally some sort of special favor from a Daedric prince or something like that. If it's important to your mod that the girl be a vampire as well, then y'all could have her go infected with vampirism later in life, subsequently she'd physically matured to whatsoever age y'all want her to be. _________________ ESO mains: Michel Shaldon (PC NA), Miguel Outrider (PC Eu) |
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flyddon | Mail service discipline: Re: Skyrim Lore Vampires having babies |
Joined: Sat January 26, 2019 12:14 am Posts: 12 ES Games: Skyrim Platform: PC UESPoints: 0 | And then here is the internal dorsum story nearly the kid, so far. (have non worked out how to convey all of this to the player.) Lady Nicola was a "turned" when she was 28, during her vampire life she fell in love, with a human, and they did "become busy". Their child is therefore a half-breed, some human characteristics and some vampire traits. (I am going to employ this to explain certain things like historic period progression besides every bit being from the Cyrodiilic bloodline, which honors Clavicus Vile for giving them the ability to blend in with mortals. Part of this blending would be crumbling as desired). The 2 points I feel I demand to cover are, (1) As for a Vampire giving birth to a child, then far I am using the "Journal of the Lord Lovidicus" equally reference that existence undead does not mean the body's organs cease to work. He impregnated an Orc, he might be crazy but the his organ worked. I am as well inferring that being "undead" has more than to do with no soul, than physically dead.... (referencing the fact that Molag Bal wanted to cheat death there past cheating Arkay..."Bal, whose sphere is the wanton oppression and entrapment of mortal souls, sought to thwart Arkay, from the writtings Opusculus Lamae Bal ta Mezzamortie". Because vampires do have blood (using the Bloodcursed Elven Arrow quest), they do have feelings, they can eat (as you pointed out Babette, if you watch her she does eat, "She spends all of her time wandering around the Sanctuary, preferably near her alchemy lab, occasionally eating, sleeping or relaxing on a chair." Non that vampires demand nutrient sustenance to survive. They are Souless, not expressionless hence UNdead. (two) This is a footling harder, the standard belief is Vampires don't historic period, however I believe it more that they hide their historic period... kill a vampire and most turn to ash (or dust) in other word he returns to his truthful historic period. Also every bit a Cyrodiil Vampyrum Club member, the tenet with Clavicus Vile, gives them the ability to blend into mortal society undetected. With this "approving" from a Daedric Prince information technology has been discovered that Infant Vampires can grow and age until they discover they can control the aging procedure. ( I can't really find any Lore to support this. But that why this is chosen a fantasy). I was hoping someone else had supporting lore or references... Possibly I'll be a trail blazer |
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SeaGtGruff | Post subject: Re: Skyrim Lore Vampires having babies |
Joined: Sun Aug 27, 2017 vi:25 pm Posts: 723 Location: Southward Carolina ES Games: Arena, Daggerfall, Battlespire, Redguard, Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim, ESO, Legends, Blades Platform: PC, Mac, iPad Status: Breathing, presumed witting Other Profiles: SeaGtGruff (Steam), TinklyGosling47 (Xbox) UESPoints: 20 | I know it's my ain suggestion, but I kind of similar the idea that the daughter was able to abound "unremarkably" due to being half human and not a true vampire. (The Gray Prince didn't even know he was one-half vampire, so evidently existence half vampire doesn't necessarily cause one to require blood or showroom typical vampire behavior and physical susceptibilities such as beingness burned past sunlight-- although we don't know how much the other half makes a difference, such as one-half orc versus half elf or half human.) And so, when she had reached a certain age, she either discovered her mother'south secret (if information technology was something that her mother had kept from her) and decided to become a vampire herself; or possibly 1 of her female parent's vampire assembly became "interested" in her and fleck her, either to spite the mother despite the mother's attempts to shelter her girl, or for another reason; or maybe the mother wanted the girl to wait until she was "mature" plenty to fully empathize the pros and cons of being a vampire before choosing whether to continue living as a "mortal" or become one of the "undead"? _________________ ESO mains: Michel Shaldon (PC NA), Miguel Outrider (PC Eu) |
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Squalor | Post subject: Re: Skyrim Lore Vampires having babies |
Joined: Lord's day May 27, 2018 11:56 pm Posts: 27 ES Games: Morrowind Oblivion Skyrim Platform: PC UESPoints: 0 | I accept a idea for your mod: |
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flyddon | Post subject: Re: Skyrim Lore Vampires having babies |
Joined: Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:fourteen am Posts: 12 ES Games: Skyrim Platform: PC UESPoints: 0 | I merely nearly have this sorted out now... I am moving on with the infant being total blooded Vampire and some other details. The thought of my female Vampire follower having to shove Soul Gems up her... into her womb, seems , well a little perverted. So no, don't think then. |
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SeaGtGruff | Postal service subject field: Re: Skyrim Lore Vampires having babies |
Joined: Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:25 pm Posts: 723 Location: South Carolina ES Games: Arena, Daggerfall, Battlespire, Redguard, Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim, ESO, Legends, Blades Platform: PC, Mac, iPad Status: Breathing, presumed conscious Other Profiles: SeaGtGruff (Steam), TinklyGosling47 (Xbox) UESPoints: twenty | The more I call back about it, the more I'm not so sure that vampires "don't age." Later on all, they aren't expressionless per se. And I wonder if the manner in which they were "turned" makes a divergence? In other words, in that location are plenty of cases in vampire literature and movies where a victim dies and is cached, only and then rises from the expressionless, so that could exist one type of vampire-- someone would died from a vampire attack and so rose from the dead equally a vampire-- in which example it would be normal to assume that no further aging occurs. Only there are also cases-- at to the lowest degree in the Elderberry Scrolls games-- where someone contracts the vampiric disease and isn't cured in time, then they become a vampire afterwards beingness sick for a sure length of time. I don't remember they "dice" per se, unless perchance they die in their sleep so very quickly rising again equally a vampire. And so that could exist another blazon of vampire-- someone who transitioned gradually to beingness a vampire, without actually dying and existence buried. In that case it might be reasonable to expect that further aging might occur-- perhaps non aging from a mature young developed to an ancient geriatric, since the vampirism keeps that at bay; but at least existence able to mature from a baby or immature kid to a "fully grown" adult? _________________ ESO mains: Michel Shaldon (PC NA), Miguel Outrider (PC Eu) |
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flyddon | Post subject: Re: Skyrim Lore Vampires having babies |
Joined: Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:14 am Posts: 12 ES Games: Skyrim Platform: PC UESPoints: 0 | yea ... See I get along those lines, vampires are not dead, they are UNDEAD, and I think it has more to do with losing 1's soul, not ones life. The Soul Cairn quest.. Serana tells you the Soul cairn wants a soul and since nosotros Vampire accept no soul... blah blah blah. Merely I worked out the details and "facts" about the baby and her having a child. So it's all expert. |
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flyddon | Postal service subject area: Re: Skyrim Lore Vampires having babies |
Joined: Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:fourteen am Posts: 12 ES Games: Skyrim Platform: PC UESPoints: 0 | amekassa45 wrote: flyddon wrote: yea ... See I get forth those lines, vampires are not dead, they are UNDEAD, and I call up it has more to do with losing 1'south soul, not ones life. The Soul Cairn quest.. Serana tells you the Soul cairn wants a soul and since we Vampire accept no soul... blah apathetic blah. But I worked out the details and "facts" about the baby and her having a kid. Then it'south all skilful. So if the girl is merely a one-half-blooded vampire past nascence, she might have been built-in living and matured ordinarily. You might still need to take some caption as to how the mother was able to become pregnant and give nascency even though she's a vampire, because presumably it would be extremely unusual for a female vampire to become meaning and give birth. And so y'all might explain that she used some sort of spells that allowed an embryo to quicken in her womb despite her undead status, perhaps even every bit some sort of special favor from a Daedric prince or something similar that. Well as I said in my showtime post. Journal of the Lord Lovidicus A Male Vampire fathered a child (sperm worked, so womb could too). |
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Lord Timster | Post subject field: Re: Skyrim Lore Vampires having babies |
Joined: Sun November 23, 2014 5:23 pm Posts: 280 Location: R'lyeh ES Games: 3, Iv, V Platform: XB1 Status: Non-Euclidean UESPoints: x | ^ I think you might be talking to a spambot or something. It has just taken a paragraph of text from 1 of SeaGtGruff's earlier posts (Jan 26). _________________ Aloofness is on the ascent, but no-ane cares. |
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SeaGtGruff | Postal service subject: Re: Skyrim Lore Vampires having babies |
Joined: Sun Aug 27, 2017 six:25 pm Posts: 723 Location: S Carolina ES Games: Arena, Daggerfall, Battlespire, Redguard, Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim, ESO, Legends, Blades Platform: PC, Mac, iPad Status: Animate, presumed conscious Other Profiles: SeaGtGruff (Steam), TinklyGosling47 (Xbox) UESPoints: xx | Ha! I saw that mail service and didn't even realize the person had copied a paragraph from one of my replies! Good catch, Lord Timster! _________________ ESO mains: Michel Shaldon (PC NA), Miguel Outrider (PC European union) |
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AKB | Post subject: Re: Skyrim Lore Vampires having babies |
Joined: Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:52 am Posts: 1218 Location: Louisiania ES Games: Arena, Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim, ESO All DLC Platform: PC Status: Believing Other Profiles: AKB (Doppelgänger) UESPoints: 4985 | Yep, newer spam bots are doing that to try to laissez passer equally human. It's really maddening when they start using a pool of responses like cleverbot. _________________ UESP Admin, Blogger, Cartographer, Moderator, Editor, and Patroller Thought for the day: Success teaches us nothing; only failure teaches. |
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ToTheMadhouse | Post subject field: Re: Skyrim Lore Vampires having babies |
Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:43 pm Posts: 172 Location: Caught in the thrall of an ensnaring Mist that will never run across the sun over again ES Games: Three, 4, V, online, V.2 Platform: Ps3 Xbox360 PS4 PC Status: Building on the loose soil of an endless desert... UESPoints: 0 | Biologically id debate that the womb needs to be living to incubate the child from the energy of the mother (Which could mean that Vampiric feeding is an accented Necessity to produce a kid if you wanted to push button it). The sperm would just impregnate without the need to really form a nurturing habitat for an embryo. Basically what im saying is that considering vampire sperm works it doesnt hateful a vampires womb would. On a more interesting topic COULD Seranna take sired a demi prince with Molag Bal? Or is the Ritual involved in daughter of coldharbour purely Domination without any biological produce? Can a Daedric prince simply choose to impregnate or is information technology a product of coupling? Questions questions questions.... _________________ ...!!CHIM, CH IM, CHAROO!!... |
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flyddon | Post subject: Re: Skyrim Lore Vampires having babies |
Joined: Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:xiv am Posts: 12 ES Games: Skyrim Platform: PC UESPoints: 0 | Well, Fantasy Reality is not an exact anything... Y'all merely want it somewhat conceivable or in the realm of possible. I am not trying to say a Vampire tin can consume an apple and so birth a human child. Even in a fantasy world that would be unbelievable. The mod has non moved much since I tin can't notice a female Vocalism extra to piece of work with me on this. I also noted this is my 39th play through of Skyrim... once you have the Gift from Lord Hakon and you wake up in the other room. If you ask what happened, he says player: What happened? How did I get here? So hither is another suggestion that you don't really die, even though your an undead. |
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MidbossVyers | Postal service subject: Re: Skyrim Lore Vampires having babies |
Joined: Monday Aug 27, 2012 2:36 pm Posts: 739 ES Games: Daggerfall, Oblivion, Skyrim Platform: PC, PS4, Nintendo Switch UESPoints: 0 | Tsukihime makes the stardom between True Ancestor vampires and Dead Apostles. Expressionless Apostles are undead, don't historic period across when they were turned, and cannot make babies the normal way. Truthful Ancestors are essentially demigods, can control their age to exist college or lower every bit needed, and tin make babies the normal way. However, both Castlevania and ES has non-ancestral vampires make babies, so I don't know anymore. Though, in both cases, both of those babies turned out pretty emo, then I don't consider that a plus. |
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flyddon | Post subject: Re: Skyrim Lore Vampires having babies |
Joined: Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:14 am Posts: 12 ES Games: Skyrim Platform: PC UESPoints: 0 | I am sorry, only what does Tsukihime accept to do with Skyrim or Skyrim Lore? Equally I read Tsukihime, information technology is some Japanese eroge doujin visual novel. EDIT: Ok so 2d reading of your mail service, I recollect I run into what your saying, OTHER media portrays vampires in different "classes" true vampires vs enthralls sort of matter. (i.e. a daughter of Coldharbour being a true Vampire vs some woman beingness seize with teeth and turned. I can come across that. |
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MidbossVyers | Post bailiwick: Re: Skyrim Lore Vampires having babies |
Joined: Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:36 pm Posts: 739 ES Games: Daggerfall, Oblivion, Skyrim Platform: PC, PS4, Nintendo Switch UESPoints: 0 | flyddon wrote: (one) As for a Vampire giving birth to a kid, so far I am using the "Journal of the Lord Lovidicus" equally reference that being undead does not mean the torso's organs terminate to work. He impregnated an Orc, he might be crazy merely the his organ worked. I am also inferring that being "undead" has more to practise with no soul, than physically dead.... (referencing the fact that Molag Bal wanted to cheat death there by adulterous Arkay..."Bal, whose sphere is the wanton oppression and entrapment of mortal souls, sought to thwart Arkay, from the writtings Opusculus Lamae Bal ta Mezzamortie". Because vampires exercise have blood (using the Bloodcursed Elven Arrow quest), they do have feelings, they can consume (as you pointed out Babette, if you scout her she does eat, "She spends all of her time wandering around the Sanctuary, preferably near her alchemy lab, occasionally eating, sleeping or relaxing on a chair." Not that vampires need food sustenance to survive. They are Souless, non expressionless hence UNdead. Vampires being soulless is merely some church propaganda garbage, spouted past hunters and other cocky-righteous vigilantes to justify essentially genocide. If they had no animus, and then they would non be able to move. Their bodies are ageless, merely they have souls, similar all mortals. Daedra, of class, accept vestiges, but vampires are however ultimately mortals with "damned flesh". All "life forms" demand some kind of animus. Even clockwork constructs need soul gems. |
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ToTheMadhouse | Post subject: Re: Skyrim Lore Vampires having babies |
Joined: Dominicus Mar 13, 2011 10:43 pm Posts: 172 Location: Caught in the thrall of an ensnaring Mist that will never run across the sun again ES Games: III, Iv, 5, online, V.two Platform: Ps3 Xbox360 PS4 PC Status: Building on the loose soil of an endless desert... UESPoints: 0 | Im of the notion that Vampiric seed can work only but on a living womb. Given the evidence against, i dont think vampires tin incubate offspring like mortal women. To be honest its plumbing equipment as well given the nature that they need to feed of the living. _________________ ...!!CHIM, CH IM, CHAROO!!... |
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flyddon | Post subject field: Re: Skyrim Lore Vampires having babies |
Joined: Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:14 am Posts: 12 ES Games: Skyrim Platform: PC UESPoints: 0 | ToTheMadhouse wrote: Im of the notion that Vampiric seed can work but just on a living womb. Given the evidence against, i dont call back vampires can incubate offspring like mortal women. To be honest its fitting every bit well given the nature that they need to feed of the living. Ok. Question..."Given the evidence against" What evidence take you plant? This is what I wish to disprove or have a rebuttal fix. I have fabricated my modernistic (80% consummate), which is what this was all nearly and take almost completed the back story. And then any evidence (in the Skyrim or ES realm) would be helpful. |
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MidbossVyers | Post subject: Re: Skyrim Lore Vampires having babies |
Joined: Monday Aug 27, 2012 2:36 pm Posts: 739 ES Games: Daggerfall, Oblivion, Skyrim Platform: PC, PS4, Nintendo Switch UESPoints: 0 | To be off-white, the issue of dhampirs have e'er been kind of wonky, specially dhampirs equally emo hypocritical bishies. In the original stories, dhampirs were literal slimes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhampir dhampir possessed a "slippery, jelly-like body |
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flyddon | Post field of study: Re: Skyrim Lore Vampires having babies |
Joined: Sabbatum Jan 26, 2019 12:xiv am Posts: 12 ES Games: Skyrim Platform: PC UESPoints: 0 | MidbossVyers wrote: To be fair, the effect of dhampirs have e'er been kind of wonky, especially dhampirs as emo hypocritical bishies. In the original stories, dhampirs were literal slimes: possessed a "glace, jelly-like trunk OK so are yous off your meds again? Have you lot been seeing the black helicopters once again. Here'due south what yous practise... brand sure your tinfoil lid is on, take your meds and terminate watching tik tok. Seriously, I am trying to keep this topic in the Skyrim/ES realm...hence the "So whatever bear witness (in the Skyrim or ES realm) would be helpful.". |
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MidbossVyers | Post subject area: Re: Skyrim Lore Vampires having babies |
Joined: Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:36 pm Posts: 739 ES Games: Daggerfall, Oblivion, Skyrim Platform: PC, PS4, Nintendo Switch UESPoints: 0 | Then it's really only one emo gladiatorial orc that yous get any evidence from, which is barely at all. |
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flyddon | Post subject: Re: Skyrim Lore Vampires having babies |
Joined: Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:14 am Posts: 12 ES Games: Skyrim Platform: PC UESPoints: 0 | Well... Umm ... ok yea you got a betoken in that location |
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ToTheMadhouse | Post subject: Re: Skyrim Lore Vampires having babies |
Joined: Sunday Mar 13, 2011 x:43 pm Posts: 172 Location: Caught in the thrall of an ensnaring Mist that will never encounter the sun again ES Games: III, 4, Five, online, V.2 Platform: Ps3 Xbox360 PS4 PC Status: Building on the loose soil of an endless desert... UESPoints: 0 | Ok and then Agronak`s father passed his seed to couple with a living women resulting in successful birth. But as we see with babbette and other vampires they cannot age or grow where as Agronak has, relate that to fetal growth (or lack of). I`d also contend on a more mature theme that this too is befitting of molag bals domain, specifically under the context of domination and rape as his spheres. _________________ ...!!CHIM, CH IM, CHAROO!!... |
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flyddon | Post subject: Re: Skyrim Lore Vampires having babies |
Joined: Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:xiv am Posts: 12 ES Games: Skyrim Platform: PC UESPoints: 0 | ToTheMadhouse wrote: Ok and then Agronak`s father passed his seed to couple with a living women resulting in successful birth. But every bit nosotros see with babbette and other vampires they cannot age or grow where as Agronak has, relate that to fetal growth (or lack of). I`d likewise argue on a more than mature theme that this likewise is befitting of molag bals domain, specifically nether the context of domination and rape equally his spheres. And so Not to rehash an erstwhile give-and-take, only I have not plant Any example of a vampire birth, I have found and as you lot bespeak out a child vampire (not crumbling). But to me and in my argument, I am saying beingness born into vampirism and being turned into or infected into a vampire are 2 different things and as such should/could accept different results, aging, unlike feeding requirements, and even burn down resistance. I don't plan to go that far and create some new vampire race (thinking the Blade movies). But my story for my mod has the main follower/companion , female vampire, having a child and there is the whole drama with that... yous know baby's daddy, child support, visiting rights and blood sucking in-laws. |
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